Then people complain that Europe rules us, because immigrants were forced upon us from other countries. But morally we had to accept them. Would you rather they died in camps at the frontier of europe or that they came and worked in our communities.
After, the argument that they take “our” jobs, school places, blocking our hospitals or social housing. But theses jobs,places, health care and housing are not “ours” but any one’s. Government has to react and create more of all, thus creating more jobs, and getting in more tax revenue.
Despite all the immigration, unemployment hasn’t gone up. The rate is still 2.2 unemployed people per job vacancy.
At the end of the day the vote is for influence and geopolitical status rather than anything else. Britain as a nation is the 5th or 6th biggest world economy now, but in 10 years time it will be the 15th or 16th and THAT is when the negotiations will end to leave the EU should we vote to do so now.
Our place in the UN, in Nato and in the wider world is already at stake within Europe, outside it, we would certainly lose our place in the UN security council and our influence and capacity in Nato would dwindle. This sends all the wrong messages to an increasingly vigorous Russia who have acted with almost impunity over Georgia and Ukraine.
The EU imposed sanctions on Russia, which were rather more effective than sanctions imposed by just one country, however their effectiveness could and should now be discussed. Putin wants to restore Stalin’s USSR borders, and the EU stands in his way. We fought WW II in 1938 for Poland and they didn’t get their freedom till 1989.
The UK decided to stay out of the European plan in the beginning in 1956, and it was only at the death of De Gaulle that we could come in, in 1972. 16 years of trying to get in! If we leave now we will never get back in.
People point the finger at the European gravy train, its lack of reactivity, incompetence, corruption and in the main a lot of this is over estimated or over exaggerated but that is not to say that we do need to work towards improving it.
We need an elected head for the european Continent, as in America. But unlike The USA we don’t have a common language or culture. So we have a lot of work to do!
Our Sceptered Isle, lost in the mists, a mighty warrior , unbeaten by all since 1066, brave and strong. Like Asterix in his village. A cartoon reality.
But we aren’t lost in the mists of the Atlantic anymore. Globalisation and international communication and even the Channel tunnel means that those headlines “Fog in Channel: Continent cut off” are as phony as they ever were, a joke to tell people in a train carriage rather than the reality of the situation.
The arguments :
1 control immigration. People who want out will say “we’ll be able to control immigration” but we wont be able to do any such thing. We don’t have the naval capacity to control all the tiny boats that take the risk of the busy channel as recent events have shown. Even if we vote “leave” we’ll have a two-year period where we’ll have to organise things and will remain a member of the EU and this two year period start date is decided by the UK government, so they could delay this as long as they felt was needed to organise things, say 1 or 2 or 5 years and in that time EU immigrants can and will continue to come into the UK. If, as Gove says in an article in the Times here http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/soviet-style-control-freaks-will-worsen-migration-free-for-all-m3rfb6vmb
““Because we cannot control our borders …. public services such as the NHS will face an unquantifiable strain as millions more become EU citizens and have the right to move to the U.K.”
What hope after we leave when we cant rely on cooperation from other nations ? And what about non EU migration?
2 The economy/make Britain “Great Britain” again.
Boris Johnson wants out, but just 3 years ago he wanted in, and it’s just that he wants to be PM really.
All the serious financial analysis says “stay”.(FMI, FT )
The EU takes 50% of UK exports and we take 10% of EU imports. We need them more than they need us!
Or the confusion or the role of the European Council and the European Union.
The reality is European laws protect your jobs, environment and human rights .
4 Rejection of establishment.
Well ok, I agree, the establishment doesn’t always get it right and that leads people to vote for “boaty mcboatface” as a name instead of “Sir David Attenborough” as a boat name. But let’s face it, the latter makes more sense.
But we shouldn’t dismiss brexiteers out of hand.They have fears and desires, expectations and needs. We have to work to find solutions
Every issue has this
5 Prices would go down.
Perhaps , but the brexiteers have said that farmers would get the same as today in subsidies.
Eu prices or world prices. I don’t want to be in a race to the bottom. Prices would go fluctuate, as they always do in world markets.I want to see people able to afford to live in a fair and just world.
We shouldn’t see migrants as obviously different from us, marked out, and unequal, rather we should see them as an opportunity to evolve and progress, by nurturing their talent and welcoming their ideas. Culture and fashion are never static, but evolve.
We keep the things important to us, but also accept those from our adopted country. As an immigrant to France, at Christmas I have “Aperatif” but also “Pudding”. The best of both worlds.
A bunch of sticks is always stronger than just one, so stick together!